Ancient trees more than twice the height of the tallest giant redwoods?
In effect, maximum tree growth is limited by gravity and friction.
Scientist George Koch and colleagues believe that they have established the upper limit for tree height. In an article entitled “Study Limits Maximum Tree Height”, by Jonathan Amos, which appeared in the BBC News Online in April 2004, that maximum tree height is about 425 feet.
Back in 1938, some scientists were speculating that the earth was shrinking and gravity along with it because of a huge petrified pine tree, well over three hundred feet tall found in the Rainbow Petrified Forest in Arizona.
In article sub-titled “Recent Discoveries in Petrified Forest Leads to Belief This Old Globe Is Gradually Contracting” (The Ogden Standard-Examiner, February 13. 1938) various scientists discussed the idea that at the time this petrified tree with its huge root system lived on the earth, its circumference was approximately 30,000 miles rather than the current 25,000. The larger earth would have exerted an attenuated (weaker) gravitational force on the trees and animals of that time.
According to the scientists quoted in the article,
“Since the newly discovered petrified tree Is of the Araucarias species, a form of pine which, when its sap is running, is of considerable weight, it probably weighed per lineal foot as much as modern-day smaller trees, and therefore seems to indicate that the magnetism and force of gravity of the earth at the’ time it grew were more dissipated, an indication that the earth itself possessed a greater diameter.”
These petrified trees had been transformed into onyx, jasper, agate, carnelian and chalcedony. Today, the giant redwoods are the growth champions. The various varieties of Araucarias would not have been expected to reach the same exalted heights.
The discovery that caused this scientific introspection occurred in 1938.
What the authors had overlooked in finding a petrified 300 foot plus tree of the Araucarias variety and finding themselves perplexed by it, is that a much larger tree had already been discovered in —Texas by federal geologists.
had been discovered in a petrified forest in Texas. According to an article in the Sunday, January 23, 1927 Port Arthur News, a petrified tree of the
Based on common sense, experience and the scientific article quoted herein establishing 425 feet as the upper limit for tree height, clearly something anomalous was going on in the distant past. Perhaps, more properly the earth’s current gravity is the anomaly.
According to the article, the forest is situated in a virtually inaccessible region in a valley of the Big Bend, nearly 100 miles from the nearest railroad spur at that time.
The forest was immodestly referred to as the greatest Petrified Forest known to man.
Mere stumps of trees rose 100 to 150 feet into the air. A thick covering of volcanic ash and pumice stone is said to have covered the trees and it is thought by the geologists/discoverers to have come from a volcano in the nearby Chisos mountains.
“One tree trunk measured 896 feet in length and the upright trunks are so large that they appear from a distance to be great symmetrical columns of natural rock. These federal geologists tell the -story. They have visited this distant valley, which is split by a deep arroyo leading into the Rio Grande.”
Clearly, if what this 1927 story reports is true, that 900 foot tree is more than twice that was projected by some scientists working in that field, as the maximum tree size obtainable in today’s gravity conditions. This means that gravity was somehow attenuated in the “distant” past.”
(I won’t rest until all of the greater-ancestors are found. Side Note: I was given a short list by an evolutionist during a debate and Redwood trees was on his list, previously it was on my difficulty-list along with rabbits, blue whales, as well as animals with giant in front of their name.) Chris L Lesley
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by Greater Ancestors World Museum on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 at 10:35pm
That’s interesting. I have done some research on Douglas fir trees which were reported in the news and old lumber magazines a century ago that were up to 465 feet tall. Seattle Times ran a story featuring my research: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/restlessnative/2016112972_restless05m.html
That’s 75 to 100 ft taller than the tallest known living redwoods, and it wasn’t millions of years ago, just like 100 to 120 years ago, so who knows how tall they could have been in the distant past. Some Eucalyptus trees were also measured at over 400 feet in the 1870′-90s.
It’s funny when scientists make claims that trees “cannot exceed” a certain height. All it takes is some variables to change, like more oxygen, co2, gravitational change, electromagnetic, fog, water etc. and trees could far surpass 425 feet.
I mean the fir trees in Washington were reaching as high as 415 to 465 feet tall in some groves near Vancouver BC, and Mt Baker washington. I have photos of these giant trees. According to scientific models, trees that tall shouldn’t exist. But in 2008 the University of Oregon conducted a new study on douglas fir height limitations and found evidence that they could reach as high as 453 – 476 feet before the hydraulics in the tree fails.
An 896 foot tree, can you imagine the sight of something like that. That’s a s tall as a large radio mast, you’d see it from 25 miles away.
Saw pictures by joeseph c Bennett . He has discoverd. Petrified trees with1/4 mile tree trunks all around and on the same mountain of mount Rushmore . Discoverd and posted in 2007 any comment?
I would be very interested to see some co-ordinates so I can check these out for myself. Pictures from old books, would also be proof to corroborate these statements. What about other ‘Old World Growth’ stands like in Asia? I imagine there are some valleys in the far western parts of China, Burma, etc. which has some surprises for us as well.
On Lake Sakakawea in North Dakota I have found what I believe to be an extremely large carboniforuous Tree fossil. I would estimate that it would have been larger than the largest redwoods. Who could I contact to get information.
Hey Mike Quinn,
I am familiar with these types of giants in South Dakota. can you get a diameter measurement and photos?
~Chris L Lesley
I have personally observed old growth sequoia sempervirens redwood stumps that were in excess of 150′ diameter. The stumps had been ancient when the loggers came, and the many fires had eroded them to basically these huge jagged wooden walls that were interspersed in a defined ring. Enormous old growth sucker trees growing in rings around the stumps were evident. Mendocino County, between Leggett and the coast.
I was also thinking that perhaps the atmosphere was thicker back in the day, creating a greater atmospheric pressure, and possibly allowing a higher efficiency of nutrient and water transportation?
What about the southern forests of Chile and Argentina? The Alerce are some spectacular trees too.